Minutes of the 23rd May 2024 Teleconference    Austin-1408 Page 1 of 1
Submitted by Andrew Josey, The Open Group.         24th May 2024


Attendees:
    Don Cragun, IEEE SA OR
    Nick Stoughton, USENIX, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 OR
    Andrew Josey, The Open Group
    Geoff Clare, The Open Group
    Eric Ackermann, CISPA 
    Paul Eggert
    Ahmet Acar (joined late)
   
Apologies
    Tom Thompson, IEEE
    Mark Ziegast, SHware Systems Dev
    Eric Blake, Red Hat, The Open Group OR

* General news

There will be no meeting on Monday May 27.

IEEE approval was achieved on May 21 as IEEE Standard 1003.1-2024.
Andrew noted we are preparing the document, which is due
for publication on June 14. We are working on the frontmatter
and participants lists have been posted for final feedback
by close of business Monday May 27.

The ISO/IEC ballot closes on June 28.

* Current Business

1797: strftime "%s" should be able to examine tm_gmtoff OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=1797


We spent the meeting discussing this item.

The meeting concluded  the following:

>> For %z and %Z, requiring applications to set tm_zone and tm_gmtoff
>>would create a conflict with the C standard. C17 says that the only
>>member used by %z and %Z is tm_isdst.

>There’s no conflict here. C17 does not specify the method used to
>deduce the time zone used for %z and %Z. An implementation is free
>to use whatever screwy method it likes.

Only the C committee can give a definitive answer on what C17
requires here. We cannot finalise new wording for %z and %Z until
we liaise with them. Therefore our next step on this bug should be
to prepare a paper for Nick to submit for consideration by the C
committee.


Items carried forward:

Bug 1818: Add strcasestr() & strcasestr_l() OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1818
Action: Eric B to ask The Open Group if they are willing to sponsor
these functions for Issue 9.

Bug 1824: cp: directories and symlinks OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1824

Action: Eric B to contact the GNU coreutils maintainers to ask for
their input, particularly on the behavior noted in bugnote 6788.


Bug 1831: how do you get the timestamp resolution of a symlink? OPEN
https://austingroupbugs.net/view.php?id=1831

Action: EricB to ask The Open Group to sponsor this change.


Next Steps 
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Reminder: Mon 2024-05-27 No meeting

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  Thu 2024-05-30 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)
  Mon 2024-06-03 (WEBEX meeting - general bugs)

  
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